Xeranis Azourael
Joined 22 September 2016
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The members who dropped us didn't even bother to wait for us to read & reply to/acknowledge the decision of being splintered, and just splintered us immediately, when s/he could've at least waited 'til Monday.<br>Not even an, ''"<u>Okay, guys; we decided to proceed with splintering you to a separate group, in order to refine the main group's party performance</u>"'', though I wouldn't know since we got dropped instantly.<br>I was completely fine with being splintered, but not even waiting for us to at least say, '<u>Okay, I understand</u>.' was just infuriating.<br>The utter lack of actual communication is staggering, especially for someone who wants '''''more''''' communication, via a 3rd party chat app.<br>(''<u>I mean, what's there to even communicate '''during''' a raid boss fight, that can't be planned/communicated before/between raids?</u>'') | The members who dropped us didn't even bother to wait for us to read & reply to/acknowledge the decision of being splintered, and just splintered us immediately, when s/he could've at least waited 'til Monday.<br>Not even an, ''"<u>Okay, guys; we decided to proceed with splintering you to a separate group, in order to refine the main group's party performance</u>"'', though I wouldn't know since we got dropped instantly.<br>I was completely fine with being splintered, but not even waiting for us to at least say, '<u>Okay, I understand</u>.' was just infuriating.<br>The utter lack of actual communication is staggering, especially for someone who wants '''''more''''' communication, via a 3rd party chat app.<br>(''<u>I mean, what's there to even communicate '''during''' a raid boss fight, that can't be planned/communicated before/between raids?</u>'') | ||
I wish Shadow had handled our splintering instead. | I wish [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]] had handled our splintering instead. | ||
"We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all." | "We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all." | ||
:Thanks, but I believe you & Shadow are the only ones who actually feel that way (''remotely sincerely''). Especially since we were so unceremoniously splintered. | :Thanks, but I believe you & [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]] are the only ones who actually feel that way (''remotely sincerely''). Especially since we were so unceremoniously splintered. | ||
:<s>You know, we didn't even have this problem before we absorbed that other, more competitive party. And then they come in & act like they own the place</s>. Smh Whatever, it's too late to reverse things now. | :<s>You know, we didn't even have this problem before we absorbed that other, more competitive party. And then they come in & act like they own the place</s>. Smh Whatever, it's too late to reverse things now. | ||
:And I wish Shadow & you the best of luck in/with KHWV ''Prime''. | :And I wish [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]] & you the best of luck in/with KHWV ''Prime''.<br>- Xeranis | ||
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::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Oh awesome! =D Hopefully, they can respond once you resend their invites. And, no rush! =)<br>- Xeranis | ::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Oh awesome! =D Hopefully, they can respond once you resend their invites. And, no rush! =)<br>- Xeranis | ||
:::::::::Thanks. Also, you should redirect part of this to [[User:Chainoffire|Chainoffire]], since he was the one who started our team, named us and wrote that caption, and left that first message. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 10:58, 1 February 2017 (PST) | :::::::::Thanks. Also, you should redirect part of this to [[User:Chainoffire|Chainoffire]], since he was the one who started our team, named us and wrote that caption, and left that first message. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 10:58, 1 February 2017 (PST) | ||
::::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Ohh, so it ''wasn't'' Kvasir. Ohk, thank you! Who's ChainOfFire in the party, then? | ::::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Ohh, so it ''wasn't'' Kvasir. Ohk, thank you! Who's ChainOfFire in the party, then?<br>- Xeranis | ||
:::::::::::Chaineh. Also: [https://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Kingdom_Hearts_Unchained_%CF%87_User_ID_List#Vulpes]. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 11:25, 1 February 2017 (PST) | :::::::::::Chaineh. Also: [https://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Kingdom_Hearts_Unchained_%CF%87_User_ID_List#Vulpes]. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 11:25, 1 February 2017 (PST) | ||
::::::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Ohh..(*''facepalm''*)..Of course. Thank you. || Ahh, I see. So then, who's Shadow on this wiki? | ::::::::::::@Ace/R<sup>3</sup>: Ohh..(*''facepalm''*)..Of course. Thank you. || Ahh, I see. So then, who's Shadow on this wiki?<br>- Xeranis | ||
:::::::::::::THAT I don't know. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 12:18, 1 February 2017 (PST) | :::::::::::::THAT I don't know. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 12:18, 1 February 2017 (PST) | ||
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:That's '''''exactly''''' what was stated in the parting message of our splintered party's in-game chat.<br>I made sure to type it verbatim, as you can see that grammatical errors are still present. Otherwise, corrections would've been made. | :That's '''''exactly''''' what was stated in the parting message of our splintered party's in-game chat.<br>I made sure to type it verbatim, as you can see that grammatical errors are still present. Otherwise, corrections would've been made. | ||
* Claiming that, after a week of continuous explanation about when the deadline is, then continuing with reminders two weeks ''past'' the deadline, the split was "sudden and abrupt" really feels like the concerns of the party members who wanted to use Messenger were minimized and outright ignored, which ''really speaks to the problem'' of why the in-game chat was not sufficient.<br>There was nearly three weeks total dedicated to "how can we get on board with this", "if people aren't getting on board we really need to get the split set up so everyone has time to settle into new parties", "okay this is literally the last possible day we can do this and I have several people screaming at me why are we dragging our feet on this". | * Claiming that, after a week of continuous explanation about when the deadline is, then continuing with reminders two weeks ''past'' the deadline, the split was "sudden and abrupt" really feels like the concerns of the party members who wanted to use Messenger were minimized and outright ignored, which ''really speaks to the problem'' of why the in-game chat was not sufficient.<br>There was nearly three weeks total dedicated to "how can we get on board with this", "if people aren't getting on board we really need to get the split set up so everyone has time to settle into new parties", "okay this is literally the last possible day we can do this and I have several people screaming at me why are we dragging our feet on this". | ||
:All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.<br>All I saw was a discussion on the matter, in a tone of ''brain-storming'', rather than '''following-up & finalizing a decision''', as you've quoted here.<br>I was waiting the entire time for a finalized decision, and all I read on the matter was Shadow's response to ''my idea of splitting the parties'', which was: "''That's a fair solution''."<br>I saw no other input on the matter after Shadow's & I had been waiting on a decision between Shadow's response & when we suddenly got dropped.<br>To be clear, I had & have no problem being split to a separate party, especially since it was my idea in the first place. Our problem was with the way our splintering was handled, especially post-split (''with Chaineh's message''). | :All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.<br>All I saw was a discussion on the matter, in a tone of ''brain-storming'', rather than '''following-up & finalizing a decision''', as you've quoted here.<br>I was waiting the entire time for a finalized decision, and all I read on the matter was [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]]'s response to ''my idea of splitting the parties'', which was: "''That's a fair solution''."<br>I saw no other input on the matter after [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]]'s & I had been waiting on a decision between [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]]'s response & when we suddenly got dropped.<br>To be clear, I had & have no problem being split to a separate party, especially since it was my idea in the first place. Our problem was with the way our splintering was handled, especially post-split (''with Chaineh's message''). | ||
* We want you guys to have fun.<br>It was made clear in the in-game chat that y'all didn't, at least at the time, want to be in a party that required use of Messenger -- we accepted that, and we encourage y'all to play the game the way you want to.<br>If y'all decide you ''are'' open to using Messenger, we'd love to have you back. But if y'all decide that's something you want, we need y'all to understand that Messenger ''is'' important to those currently in KHWV Oathkeeper or whatever we're calling it now.<br>It's not simply something people feel whimsical about -- several members have explicitly stated that they will leave KHWV if it stops using Messenger. | * We want you guys to have fun.<br>It was made clear in the in-game chat that y'all didn't, at least at the time, want to be in a party that required use of Messenger -- we accepted that, and we encourage y'all to play the game the way you want to.<br>If y'all decide you ''are'' open to using Messenger, we'd love to have you back. But if y'all decide that's something you want, we need y'all to understand that Messenger ''is'' important to those currently in KHWV Oathkeeper or whatever we're calling it now.<br>It's not simply something people feel whimsical about -- several members have explicitly stated that they will leave KHWV if it stops using Messenger. | ||
:Acknowledged; thank you. Our stance on FB Messenger remains the same. And we have no qualms with separate parties; only in how the splintering was handled. | :Acknowledged; thank you. Our stance on FB Messenger remains the same. And we have no qualms with separate parties; only in how the splintering was handled. | ||
* We've saved a list of every player who's ever been retired/split, so we can give you all those ID numbers if you'd prefer to keep your non-Messenger party.<br>Again, we wish all of you the best of luck with the game, and we hope you can play the way you want to, whether that's with the other wiki players or not. | * We've saved a list of every player who's ever been retired/split, so we can give you all those ID numbers if you'd prefer to keep your non-Messenger party.<br>Again, we wish all of you the best of luck with the game, and we hope you can play the way you want to, whether that's with the other wiki players or not. | ||
:That would be very much appreciated, thank you.<br>And I wish you & Shadow the best of luck with the game in KHWV Prime. | :That would be very much appreciated, thank you.<br>And I wish you & [[User talk:Vulpes shadow|Shadow]] the best of luck with the game in KHWV Prime. | ||
Thank you again for your time & effort on this matter. | Thank you again for your time & effort on this matter.<br>- Xeranis | ||
:''All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.'' | :''All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.'' | ||
::There was a notice about a meeting on IRC to discuss which apps could be used in lieu of Messenger, after stating that it was a critical issue and that an alternative needed to be chosen in the meeting or the parties would be split. To my knowledge, no one showed up. In any case -- there's an open invitation to any of you guys that are willing to join Messenger, best luck to you.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 08:09, 8 February 2017 (PST) | ::There was a notice about a meeting on IRC to discuss which apps could be used in lieu of Messenger, after stating that it was a critical issue and that an alternative needed to be chosen in the meeting or the parties would be split. To my knowledge, no one showed up. In any case -- there's an open invitation to any of you guys that are willing to join Messenger, best luck to you.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 08:09, 8 February 2017 (PST) | ||