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And I personally thought it was handled abruptly, rudely, & poorly, as these accusations were insulting: ↓ | And I personally thought it was handled abruptly, rudely, & poorly, as these accusations were insulting: ↓ | ||
Welcome to KHWV Oblivion!<br>You're here because: <br>1) You didn't pay attention to the chat.<br>2) You were REALLY inactive<br>So we decided to split you to this party instead of just kicking u<br>Best of luck!<br>'''<u>Party Caption</u>''': To Oblivion | <u>[[User:Chainoffire|'''Chaineh''']]</u>:<br>Welcome to KHWV Oblivion!<br>You're here because: <br>1) You didn't pay attention to the chat.<br>2) You were REALLY inactive<br>So we decided to split you to this party instead of just kicking u<br>Best of luck!<br><br>'''<u>Party Caption</u>''': To Oblivion | ||
1.) That's just plain not true. I was very vocal in chat & stated that I read '''''everything'''''.<br>2.) That's '''''also''''' untrue, especially in regards to my overall party participation.<br>I simply didn't get to log in <u>the weekend we were splintered</u> because I go to church on Saturdays (''which I didn't get to mention to you guys''), so I don't log in 'til sunset;<br>and my sister & nephew visited on Sunday, so I couldn't log in, with my 3yr old nephew wanting me to always play with him. | 1.) That's just plain not true. I was very vocal in chat & stated that I read '''''everything'''''.<br>2.) That's '''''also''''' untrue, especially in regards to my overall party participation.<br>I simply didn't get to log in <u>the weekend we were splintered</u> because I go to church on Saturdays (''which I didn't get to mention to you guys''), so I don't log in 'til sunset;<br>and my sister & nephew visited on Sunday, so I couldn't log in, with my 3yr old nephew wanting me to always play with him. | ||
Having the party caption of "To Oblivion" & naming us "Oblivion" was just '''''pouring salt on an open wound/adding insult to injury'''''. | Having the party caption of "To Oblivion" & naming us "Oblivion" was just '''''pouring salt on an open wound/adding insult to injury'''''. | ||
The members who dropped us didn't even bother to wait for us to read & reply to/acknowledge the decision of being splintered, and just splintered us immediately, when s/he could've at least waited 'til Monday.<br>Not even an, ''"<u>Okay, guys; we decided to proceed with splintering you to a separate group, in order to refine the main group's party performance</u>"'', though I wouldn't know since we got dropped instantly.<br>I was completely fine with being splintered, but not even waiting for us to at least say, '<u>Okay, I understand</u>.' was just infuriating.<br>The utter lack of actual communication is staggering, especially for someone who wants '''''more''''' communication, via a 3rd party chat app.<br>(''<u>I mean, what's there to even communicate '''during''' a raid boss fight, that can't be planned/communicated before/between raids?</u>'') | |||
I wish Shadow had handled our splintering instead. | I wish Shadow had handled our splintering instead. | ||
"We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all." | "We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all." | ||
:Thanks, but I believe Shadow | :Thanks, but I believe you & Shadow are the only ones who actually feel that way (''remotely sincerely''). Especially since we were so unceremoniously splintered. | ||
:You know, we didn't even have this problem before we absorbed that other, more competitive party. And then they come in & act like they own the place. Smh Whatever, it's too late to reverse things now. | :<s>You know, we didn't even have this problem before we absorbed that other, more competitive party. And then they come in & act like they own the place</s>. Smh Whatever, it's too late to reverse things now. | ||
:And I wish Shadow the best of luck in/with KHWV ''Prime''. | :And I wish Shadow & you the best of luck in/with KHWV ''Prime''. | ||
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::::Hmm, with that explanation, I don't feel so bad anymore. Still though, I feel I must point out that the in-game chat can't take the whole blame. It's there to be used. If people won't even ''try'' to use it to communicate, then they have to take ''SOME'' responsibility. Even if it's just a measly, inconsequential 1% of responsibility. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 11:24, 2 February 2017 (PST) | ::::Hmm, with that explanation, I don't feel so bad anymore. Still though, I feel I must point out that the in-game chat can't take the whole blame. It's there to be used. If people won't even ''try'' to use it to communicate, then they have to take ''SOME'' responsibility. Even if it's just a measly, inconsequential 1% of responsibility. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 11:24, 2 February 2017 (PST) | ||
:::::Absolutely.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:15, 2 February 2017 (PST) | :::::Absolutely.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:15, 2 February 2017 (PST) | ||
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@ [[User:KrytenKoro|'''KrytenKoro''']]:<br><br>I appreciate the time & effort being put into this matter. | |||
* As far as who performed the split -- that was the entire rest of the party. Chaineh was asked to be an anchor in order to set up Oblivion, but he did not perform the kicks and in fact had no role in this other than sacrificing the Weekend Raid time for most of that Saturday. The kicks were performed by those remaining in KHWV. | |||
* Disgruntlement with the lack of attention to raid boss requests started long, long before we absorbed the other party.<br>Without naming names, the ones most hurt by the lack of communication were actually in the KHWV party since April.<br>The newcomers were not, in any way, the ones expressing hurt, requesting a solution, or even performing the actual administrative steps of setting up the branched parties. | |||
:Okay; thank you for clarifying my misconceptions on those two matters.<br>And my sincerest apologies to [[User:Chainoffire|'''Chaineh''']], in that specific regard. I have since revised my original message above. | |||
* The split was not about being inactive.<br>As stated multiple times in the chat, the split was because all of the other members agreed that they wanted to be in a party where everyone used Messenger,<br>and those who were split off had stated they didn't want to be in a party where everyone used Messenger.<br>We took y'all at your word. | |||
:Correct. But that was not reflected/communicated in the Reasons For Being Splintered, in the parting message, in our splintered party's in-game chat. Which was our issue (''with Chaineh''). | |||
* The splintering was handled with a three-week leadup, with clearly stated requests from the rest of the party. It was not abrupt or uncommunicated in any way. | |||
:If there were "clearly stated requests", they must've been made on the FB Messenger app, as I did not see them on the in-game chat system.<br>Which is why I said it was abrupt, as no finalized decision was relayed on the in-game chat system, before dropping us. Only musings/a discussion on the matter. I go into further depth on the matter, below.<br>(''And if there was, those who dropped us didn't wait for us to respond, to give confirmation that we've read/acknowledge the decision that's been made''.) | |||
* The name "Oblivion" was chosen because Oathkeeper and Oblivion are the two main Keyblades. It had no other meaning besides being a Kingdom Hearts pair-partner name. | |||
:If that was the intent, then it was not communicated in the in-game chat system, nor the departing message that was left for our splintered party.<br>And taken in context with the party caption (''along with KHWV Prime's lack of "Oathkeeper" in your party title''), there was no other way to take it than as an insult. | |||
* Communicating during raid boss fights was the exact issue that made the party require Messenger, and we've in fact been clearly communicating why it is necessary since the first Raid Boss event with Queen Bee. The fact that despite that continuous restatement of why communication is necessary problems were ''still'' frequently occurring, leading to many party members quitting or informing the core members of intention to quit, is the exact reason the in-game chat was insufficient. | |||
:(''My stance on this matter remains the same. I followed raid boss instructions once they were '''explicitly stated''' & was not the one who disregarded them''.) | |||
* If that's what Chaineh exactly stated to you guys was the reason for the split, I'll talk to him.<br>It appears his message was combining the two reasons people were split off that day -- (1) the not wanting to be in a Messenger party, and (2) the normally scheduled purge of anyone inactive for over a week.<br>However, KHWV Oblivion was only set up for those belonging to (1) -- those in (2) were supposed to simply be retired, and renewed if they began playing again (like Rikki).<br>Phrasing it in the way depicted here was inaccurate and unnecessarily hurtful. | |||
:That's '''''exactly''''' what was stated in the parting message of our splintered party's in-game chat.<br>I made sure to type it verbatim, as you can see that grammatical errors are still present. Otherwise, corrections would've been made. | |||
* Claiming that, after a week of continuous explanation about when the deadline is, then continuing with reminders two weeks ''past'' the deadline, the split was "sudden and abrupt" really feels like the concerns of the party members who wanted to use Messenger were minimized and outright ignored, which ''really speaks to the problem'' of why the in-game chat was not sufficient.<br>There was nearly three weeks total dedicated to "how can we get on board with this", "if people aren't getting on board we really need to get the split set up so everyone has time to settle into new parties", "okay this is literally the last possible day we can do this and I have several people screaming at me why are we dragging our feet on this". | |||
:All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.<br>All I saw was a discussion on the matter, in a tone of ''brain-storming'', rather than '''following-up & finalizing a decision''', as you've quoted here.<br>I was waiting the entire time for a finalized decision, and all I read on the matter was Shadow's response to ''my idea of splitting the parties'', which was: "''That's a fair solution''."<br>I saw no other input on the matter after Shadow's & I had been waiting on a decision between Shadow's response & when we suddenly got dropped.<br>To be clear, I had & have no problem being split to a separate party, especially since it was my idea in the first place. Our problem was with the way our splintering was handled, especially post-split (''with Chaineh's message''). | |||
* We want you guys to have fun.<br>It was made clear in the in-game chat that y'all didn't, at least at the time, want to be in a party that required use of Messenger -- we accepted that, and we encourage y'all to play the game the way you want to.<br>If y'all decide you ''are'' open to using Messenger, we'd love to have you back. But if y'all decide that's something you want, we need y'all to understand that Messenger ''is'' important to those currently in KHWV Oathkeeper or whatever we're calling it now.<br>It's not simply something people feel whimsical about -- several members have explicitly stated that they will leave KHWV if it stops using Messenger. | |||
:Acknowledged; thank you. Our stance on FB Messenger remains the same. And we have no qualms with separate parties; only in how the splintering was handled. | |||
* We've saved a list of every player who's ever been retired/split, so we can give you all those ID numbers if you'd prefer to keep your non-Messenger party.<br>Again, we wish all of you the best of luck with the game, and we hope you can play the way you want to, whether that's with the other wiki players or not. | |||
:That would be very much appreciated, thank you.<br>And I wish you & Shadow the best of luck with the game in KHWV Prime. | |||
Thank you again for your time & effort on this matter. | |||