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::::::::I, too, wondered whether or not running missions consecutively might interfere with the count. From what I've observed with various tests, no, but I intend to have one more test run to confirm. For the eggs, I'm a step ahead of you. It took a lot of giving up and reentering to do it, but I got a test of 80 (2 Prize Eggs) to fail, which means that they can't count double. I was sure that Growth Eggs did, though, due to getting a raid at just 39 kills from EXP Medals: Speed III. Then, the conclusions that I can draw are that either Growth Eggs count double, but Prize Eggs don't (and I've no idea on Munny Eggs), or the special missions, at least that one in particular, have a ridiculously beneficial raid value. I can't test further because I'm a free player, but if someone could run that special mission, then 57 three times, skipping enemies to land on 70 kills or so, and report back, that'd be as close to hard evidence as we're going to get. | ::::::::I, too, wondered whether or not running missions consecutively might interfere with the count. From what I've observed with various tests, no, but I intend to have one more test run to confirm. For the eggs, I'm a step ahead of you. It took a lot of giving up and reentering to do it, but I got a test of 80 (2 Prize Eggs) to fail, which means that they can't count double. I was sure that Growth Eggs did, though, due to getting a raid at just 39 kills from EXP Medals: Speed III. Then, the conclusions that I can draw are that either Growth Eggs count double, but Prize Eggs don't (and I've no idea on Munny Eggs), or the special missions, at least that one in particular, have a ridiculously beneficial raid value. I can't test further because I'm a free player, but if someone could run that special mission, then 57 three times, skipping enemies to land on 70 kills or so, and report back, that'd be as close to hard evidence as we're going to get. | ||
::::::::The really scary notion is that the algorithm for raid boss spawning could be exceedingly convoluted. There could be no "highs" and "lows" at all; it could be an untraceable matter of combinations having arbitrary values. I suppose that there's not much to say about that, though; we have to keep testing with hopes that our resultant equation is at least mostly accurate, or else it's all for naught.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 14:00, 24 June 2016 (PDT) | ::::::::The really scary notion is that the algorithm for raid boss spawning could be exceedingly convoluted. There could be no "highs" and "lows" at all; it could be an untraceable matter of combinations having arbitrary values. I suppose that there's not much to say about that, though; we have to keep testing with hopes that our resultant equation is at least mostly accurate, or else it's all for naught.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 14:00, 24 June 2016 (PDT) | ||
:::::::::I don't think eggs count double. When I tried to get a raid boss, I had 75 Heartless in evolve medal quests, and had to do 9 exp medal quests before I got a raid. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:20, 24 June 2016 (PDT) | |||
::::::::::Wow. Well, good enough for me. It's just that mission that has a great raid initiation value.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 15:23, 24 June 2016 (PDT) | |||
Here is the link to the GameFAQs thread in which I am coordinating help on omega farming: | |||
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/158980-kingdom-hearts-unchained-x/73932407 | |||
== Gallery == | |||
What's going on with the gallery here? Why are the images different scales?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 11:45, 30 June 2016 (PDT) | |||
:Dunno why it was messed up, fixed it though. -[[User:Rikki21|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#B452CD;font-size:4">'''Rikki'''</span>]][[User talk:Rikki21|<span style="color:#FF0066;font-size:4">'''21'''</span>]] 11:50, 30 June 2016 (PDT) | |||
==Prime Omegas== | |||
There is currently a campaign to test missions for Omega Raid frequencies, as it is clear that not all missions are made equal. Missions with exceptionally high rates are dubbed "Prime Omegas." When complete, the results will be uploaded here. To follow along and/or participate in the meantime, go to [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/158980-kingdom-hearts-unchained-x/73932407]this GameFAQs thread.{{unsigned}} | |||
That's strange. I was sure that I put that on the main page, hence why I didn't sign it. By the by, I'm also the one that was first to report a 68 raid, and I've also gotten them at much, much lower values. Since you have infinite AP right now, just run to 270 and go straight to the boss over and over, as though you were farming Fantastia Mickeys, and you'll see that raid values have more variance than we initially gave them credit for. ". . . usually ranging from 68 to 78" would probably be the most accurate representation of the algorithm before I do the more comprehensive write-up.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 19:27, 25 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
Okay, I don't know how to respond to editing comments directly, so I'll just say it here: What about that is self-promotion? I didn't mention that I'm the one running it. It's not a thing that anyone is glory-hogging or getting paid for. It's a community project . . . by, of, and for the community. I reached out to the community. I don't . . . That criticism is frankly just stupid. :/ | |||
:It's self-promotion for the fanproject. This is not a wiki about the fanproject, it's a wiki about the game. You're free to advertise it on the talk page, or ask the community whether it's acceptable to advertise it in the sitenotice (they will probably say yes, as they did for advertising the wiki's in-game party), but the article is about the raid bosses, not the fan project.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:11, 26 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
Does you not see how contrived that is, though? The wiki is entirely one big fan project. The Raid Boss page and that GameFAQs thread have the same goal, and if you narrow down the latter to a nub, it's specifically ''to get info for this wiki page.'' It's not like this is some side project with just one common element; this is explicitly a project on ''this'' content. We should be on the same side, here. Now, I'll grant that I don't know this wiki's rules because every wiki is different and their rules are unwritten and largely imaginary, but I'd think that some cooperation would not be too much to ask for. If you want it in the sitenotice, not here, who am I supposed to ask? The last time that someone asked for permissions to edit something, they didn't need it because this is a wiki and they were just being lazy . . .[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 19:06, 26 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
:It's not contrived. The scope of the wiki is the game, not fan efforts about the game. If we included fan efforts, then we would include articles ''about'' the wiki itself, like "The Great Anon Immigration of 2016" or other navel-gazing. | |||
:I mean, ''maybe'' a see also link would be okay, but I've not seen any other publication-based wiki have a full section for "fans are investigating this article at this address". That's not what the community agreed to focus on, and that's not what we've done anywhere else. If you want to start a discussion on Talk:Main Page to see if the community is interested in widening the scope, be my guest.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 18:01, 27 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
No, all that I wanted was to reach out to the community to provide for itself. As always, a small collection of people are supplying all the information for everyone. It's not navel-gazing, it's not promotion, and it's not even asking for "recognition." It's a project that requires outsourcing to complete in any reasonable length of time, so I tried to outsource. You want it to take forever? Fine. It will. This isn't like other articles because it's not just some descriptors and maybe loot tables; it's an expansive, detailed undertaking. But hey, fine, if you can't get that, it's your wiki. Do with it as you please.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 00:56, 28 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
::I think you're latching onto some other definition of what self-promotion means? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_for_things_made_up_one_day This] is a good example. I'm not saying that you're trying to "trick" anyone, I'm saying that what you're doing literally falls outside of the agreed scope of the project, and if you'd like it to be included in a substantial manner, it's on you to convince the community to widen the scope. I mean, readers may be interested in the events of KH2 as well, but that's outside the scope of the wiki so we don't report on it.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 10:23, 29 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
I don't understand how you fail to understand that raid boss mechanics are not irrelevant to the raid boss page. This is not some fanfiction, a meme that some kids came up with, or story speculation. It's research into the mechanics of ''this friggin' content''. I don't know what could be any plainer. Enough, anyway. If you can't bring yourself to cooperate, and you can't even fathom how a discussion that you initially took part in and should understand the validity thereof is valid, you have no business insulting my intellect. Just . . . bloody . . . drop it.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 02:49, 30 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
:I've outlined three times now the exact steps you need to take in order to ''get your info covered and advertised''. Stop trying to turn this into "help help, I'm being repressed" -- I've done everything but the actual legwork for you. "Raid boss mechanics" are not irrelevant to the raid boss page. If that's what you were posting, we wouldn't even have this discussion. You were instead posting a recruitment drive, which would be ''potentially'' allowable, but ''would require the community to agree on changing the previously defined scope of the wiki''. You're demanding something that the community has, before now, decided was something outside what they would cover on articles (though, as I've said before ''totally allows to be posted in the splash notice that appears on '''every single page'''''). If you want it covered, you need to respect that other editors actually ''have valid opinions'', and try to change their mind rather than consistently attacking their intellect or character. I have been consistently trying to outline a more productive path to you getting what you want, please actually read it with an open mind.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 06:26, 30 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
== Quests that always spawn a boss == | |||
For filtering, all have cutscenes. Proud mode quests are convenient for repeated summoning because the current proud quest doesn't change when a raid boss appears. | |||
* [[Quest 24]] (Magic): Standard [[Trickmaster]], Proud (Olympia, Speed medals) [[Behemoth]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Yuna]] or [[Pence]] | |||
* [[Quest 66]] (Power): Standard [[Behemoth]], Proud (MoG, 3+ hits) [[Guard Armor]] | |||
* [[Quest 102]] (Power): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud (DR, 2+ gauges) [[Trickmaster]] | |||
* [[Quest 183]] (Speed): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud (TT, 1 hit) [[Guard Armor]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Rikku]] or [[Paine]] | |||
* [[Quest 200]] (Magic): Standard [[Darkside]], Proud (Lion, 8200+ STR) [[Darkside]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Donald A]] or [[KH Sora A]] | |||
* [[Quest 230]] (Magic): Standard [[Trickmaster]], Proud (LL, 8+ hits) [[Trickmaster]] | |||
* [[Quest 660]] (Magic): Standard [[Guard Armor]], Proud takes 2 runs to spawn | |||
* [[Quest 715]] (Power): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud takes 3 runs to spawn | |||