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:It's not contrived. The scope of the wiki is the game, not fan efforts about the game. If we included fan efforts, then we would include articles ''about'' the wiki itself, like "The Great Anon Immigration of 2016" or other navel-gazing. | :It's not contrived. The scope of the wiki is the game, not fan efforts about the game. If we included fan efforts, then we would include articles ''about'' the wiki itself, like "The Great Anon Immigration of 2016" or other navel-gazing. | ||
:I mean, ''maybe'' a see also link would be okay, but I've not seen any other publication-based wiki have a full section for "fans are investigating this article at this address". That's not what the community agreed to focus on, and that's not what we've done anywhere else. If you want to start a discussion on Talk:Main Page to see if the community is interested in widening the scope, be my guest.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 18:01, 27 August 2016 (PDT) | :I mean, ''maybe'' a see also link would be okay, but I've not seen any other publication-based wiki have a full section for "fans are investigating this article at this address". That's not what the community agreed to focus on, and that's not what we've done anywhere else. If you want to start a discussion on Talk:Main Page to see if the community is interested in widening the scope, be my guest.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 18:01, 27 August 2016 (PDT) | ||
No, all that I wanted was to reach out to the community to provide for itself. As always, a small collection of people are supplying all the information for everyone. It's not navel-gazing, it's not promotion, and it's not even asking for "recognition." It's a project that requires outsourcing to complete in any reasonable length of time, so I tried to outsource. You want it to take forever? Fine. It will. This isn't like other articles because it's not just some descriptors and maybe loot tables; it's an expansive, detailed undertaking. But hey, fine, if you can't get that, it's your wiki. Do with it as you please.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 00:56, 28 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
::I think you're latching onto some other definition of what self-promotion means? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_for_things_made_up_one_day This] is a good example. I'm not saying that you're trying to "trick" anyone, I'm saying that what you're doing literally falls outside of the agreed scope of the project, and if you'd like it to be included in a substantial manner, it's on you to convince the community to widen the scope. I mean, readers may be interested in the events of KH2 as well, but that's outside the scope of the wiki so we don't report on it.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 10:23, 29 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
I don't understand how you fail to understand that raid boss mechanics are not irrelevant to the raid boss page. This is not some fanfiction, a meme that some kids came up with, or story speculation. It's research into the mechanics of ''this friggin' content''. I don't know what could be any plainer. Enough, anyway. If you can't bring yourself to cooperate, and you can't even fathom how a discussion that you initially took part in and should understand the validity thereof is valid, you have no business insulting my intellect. Just . . . bloody . . . drop it.[[Special:Contributions/72.172.203.139|72.172.203.139]] 02:49, 30 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
:I've outlined three times now the exact steps you need to take in order to ''get your info covered and advertised''. Stop trying to turn this into "help help, I'm being repressed" -- I've done everything but the actual legwork for you. "Raid boss mechanics" are not irrelevant to the raid boss page. If that's what you were posting, we wouldn't even have this discussion. You were instead posting a recruitment drive, which would be ''potentially'' allowable, but ''would require the community to agree on changing the previously defined scope of the wiki''. You're demanding something that the community has, before now, decided was something outside what they would cover on articles (though, as I've said before ''totally allows to be posted in the splash notice that appears on '''every single page'''''). If you want it covered, you need to respect that other editors actually ''have valid opinions'', and try to change their mind rather than consistently attacking their intellect or character. I have been consistently trying to outline a more productive path to you getting what you want, please actually read it with an open mind.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 06:26, 30 August 2016 (PDT) | |||
== Quests that always spawn a boss == | |||
For filtering, all have cutscenes. Proud mode quests are convenient for repeated summoning because the current proud quest doesn't change when a raid boss appears. | |||
* [[Quest 24]] (Magic): Standard [[Trickmaster]], Proud (Olympia, Speed medals) [[Behemoth]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Yuna]] or [[Pence]] | |||
* [[Quest 66]] (Power): Standard [[Behemoth]], Proud (MoG, 3+ hits) [[Guard Armor]] | |||
* [[Quest 102]] (Power): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud (DR, 2+ gauges) [[Trickmaster]] | |||
* [[Quest 183]] (Speed): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud (TT, 1 hit) [[Guard Armor]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Rikku]] or [[Paine]] | |||
* [[Quest 200]] (Magic): Standard [[Darkside]], Proud (Lion, 8200+ STR) [[Darkside]] -- Target can drop 2* [[Donald A]] or [[KH Sora A]] | |||
* [[Quest 230]] (Magic): Standard [[Trickmaster]], Proud (LL, 8+ hits) [[Trickmaster]] | |||
* [[Quest 660]] (Magic): Standard [[Guard Armor]], Proud takes 2 runs to spawn | |||
* [[Quest 715]] (Power): Standard [[Savage Spider]], Proud takes 3 runs to spawn | |||